KARMA 2: Tutorial - Note Series: Note Type / Discussion

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HardSync 14 Aug 2012 12:31

Because this is a parameter-only tutorial, I'm unsure where this article should go. For now I've put it into the "Techniques" category because it didn't seem to fit into the more generalised beginner guides or anything else really. Perhaps we need a further category to place it in…?

I hope this post gets to you (HardSync)

mragan 22 Oct 2012 15:29

I stumbled on this article this AM and I'm thoroughly enjoying it, but I'm editing as I go through it. (Thus far only 1 typo and I added a line telling readers/users to switch from realtime control to Karma in the control surface.)

I'm pretty sure that I have the program set up correctly through part 1 (my rtc screen looks exactly as yours). In part 2, Note Type Mode 0: Regular, you say, "Now play a fourth together using C4 and F4. You should hear the note series playing C4, F4, C5, F5, C6, F6 and then back down." When I do that, the pattern is five notes, stopping at C6 and going back down.

Similarly, in Note Type Mode 1: Scalic 1, you say" This mode is your chord analysis mode, and it is also your one-finger chord mode. If you play only a single note (C4), it will essentially create a C-major chord for you, and then use that to generate a six-note scale as the note series." When I do that, (slider 1 set to 0) all I get is a three note pattern, C4, C5, and C6, up and down.

I'm not sure what's going on - whether I have set something up incorrectly, or whether there are some errors here. Can you check to be sure that, in the examples above, what you've posted is correct? I don't want to edit mistakenly, and I don't want to work further along only to find out that I've got something set up incorrectly.

Now that I think about it, perhaps I should send you the program for you to check it, if you have the time and are willing to do so. If so, give me your e-mail address.

Regardless, my thanks for all the hard work putting together this article, including sounds and pics. It's, in a word, wonderful. And greatly appreciated, as I think that Stephen has not had time to give us a real Karma education (like the video series, etc.).

Mark R

Re: I hope this post gets to you (HardSync)

HardSync 22 Oct 2012 15:49

Hi Mark,

Thank you very much for the kind comments — glad you like it.

I'm also glad you're checking it for accuracy. :) It's very likely I have made an error when transcribing what I did or which notes are generated/heard. If you'd like, give me a day to go through it and triple-check it. (I've just come back home from trip and I'm shattered.) If you're feeling impatient, you could try comparing the file I made for this tutorial to the one you made — I uploaded it here: http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19236 I think it set it up with some scene changes for the various parts of the tutorial … maybe. I forget.

(Also, friendly note: don't forget to put the word KARMA in all caps when writing it — pretty sure I saw SK mention that is how it should be written.)

Thanks again, and I'll get back to you on this shortly.

Jay

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mragan 23 Oct 2012 11:32

Well, I was one for two. I tested your program (if I'd reread the first part of the article, I could have downloaded the pcg file yesterday instead of asking you to send it). The first point I made, "In part 2, Note Type Mode 0: Regular, you say, "Now play a fourth together using C4 and F4. You should hear the note series playing C4, F4, C5, F5, C6, F6 and then back down." When I do that, the pattern is five notes, stopping at C6 and going back down" is correct. I'll make a change in the article.

The second point, however, is incorrect, even in my version. The reason is obvious, simply by reading what I wrote - I set slider 1 at 0, not at 1, as you instructed. Duh… Sometimes I amaze myself that I can carefully read and re-read, and still #&^% up.

I'll also bold/caps KARMA, and spend some time this AM going through more of the article - more carefully, I hope.

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mragan 23 Oct 2012 12:15

I've spent too much time trying to get this to sound as you describe. First problem is that, unless the note trigger (p. 7-1) is set to 1st, the note series is re-triggered with each note input (using your version of the program.) Turn the tempo down to 40 and you can really here this. But even with the trigger set to 1st, I can't hear the note series being played in the actual order. Maybe it's just me. If you check this and it works for you, you should edit the section if it should reflect a change in the trigger setting. (I added a parenthetical about holding the keys down.)

I subsequently brought the progam up in Karma M3 and was able to see it work as you stated, though changing the trigger setting, the speed of the program, and the speed with which I played the chord (one note at a time) made a big difference in how it sounded, as opposed to the way it looked in the GE editor screen (it was more obvious in this screen than the data display screen.) Whether you want to edit the article is up to you.

btw - is "on the tin" a Britishism? Never "heard" it before (or else it's a typo.)

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HardSync 25 Oct 2012 10:17

Mark,

I really appreciate you going through this tutorial and fixing it up. Apologies for not getting back to you quicker. Been one of those weeks!

So, yes, you need to hold down the keys — or, I think you can also use the damper pedal to hold the note series in the buffer, letting you release the keys (might require a Perf RTP setting, though). I don't have the KARMA software, so everything I can do/try/see/hear is on the M3 only. I do have the KARMA software user guide, which is incredibly helpful in conjunction with the M3's KARMA guide. Anyway, I haven't had a chance yet to go back through the tutorial, but I will as soon as I can, and then if needed edit any mistakes I've made. But definitely glad you've gone through it!

"Does exactly what it says on the tin" is a Britishism (I'm struggling to think of an American equivalent expression at the moment - "works as advertised" maybe?). Not a typo. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Does_exactly_what_it_says_on_the_tin :)

Re: Extra Credit -Input Sort Random & Index Sort Random

mragan 25 Oct 2012 15:52

Works as advertised is pretty much the equivalent.